Internet Marketing Seminars Are Pitch Fests!
March 7th, 2008
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by BobTheTeacher · Filed Under: Bob The Teacher Training · Business Building · Internet Marketing Seminars · Product Launches · Teleseminars
Do you feel this way about internet marketing seminars? That you pay up to $5000, spend a bunch of money on plane tickets, hotel rooms, food, and possibly even extra child care – then find yourself being sold to every 90 minutes by somebody new?
I know I feel that way a lot of times when I go to a seminar, although I’ll tell you that I never let that get to me, or prevent me from having a life changing experience every single time I travel.
Going to a seminar or a workshop is an incredible experience as a student of internet marketing. Most importantly, it’s a chance to meet people face to face that you’ve been talking to online for a while. It’s a great way to meet the mentors, your forum buddies, and your customers/subscribers (even if you just have a few, it’s a big ego boost when one of them comes up to you and thanks you for what you do!).
I enjoy hearing the speakers, too, even when they are ultimately trying to sell me something. This is because I want to watch and learn how they do it – how do they capture the attention of 400+ people, provide them with what they came to hear and continue that relationship after the seminar with ongoing education. It’s really not about the money for me, but being able to wipe out my debt in 90 minutes would feel pretty awesome.
Of course I am not so naive or blindfolded to believe that every speaker does what they say they will do, that there are never any refunds afterwards, or anything like that. And I certainly have my BS meter on whenever I’m in a room where a pitch is going to be made.
So how do you know when a seminar is going to be a pitch fest? And so what if it is?
Well, first of all, if the ticket to attend is less than $1000, then the seminar organizers are relying on “during event” sales to make their profits. Even seminars over that amount can turn into pitchfests, too, but it’s especially likely if the cost of entry is low.
If you go to an event that’s $100 to get in for 3 days, and there are 15 speakers, you can bet that you will see at least 15 sales pitches and plenty of vendor booths. If this upsets you, I must tell you that you likely aren’t going to get very far in business – expecting organizers to put on a seminar without a profit motive would be like expecting you to work a 9-5 without getting paid what you are worth. Oh wait, you may already be doing that… :)
The question though becomes, should you let a “pitchfest atmosphere” stop you from going? Of course not.
I like to go to seminars because I get to meet new people, see a new city (at least from the hotel window), and clear my head a bit from the day to day grind of sitting at the computer. For example, when I drove 10 hours to Orlando last month for Strategic Profits Live, I met a couple of fitness guys, filmed a few segments for my new blog (Fit Money Makers – With Scott Tousignant), and helped several people get clarity for their businesses.
I drove 8 hours back with one of my clients (saving her over $5000) and received great feedback on my products and services while helping her understand why her hobby is likely a better business for her long term success and happiness than her original plans.
On several occasions I met up with a seminar promoter from Australia who gave me some great ideas for my business (even though he didn’t like “Bob The Teacher” as a brand), conversations which could eventually lead to my first trip Down Under in 2009.
Spending time with my mentors, like Mike Filsaime and Jeff Walker, provided me with some insider info that few people know about this far in advance (the new PayDotCom is going to be sweet for instance, not to mention Product Launch Formula 2!).
As for the pitch fest itself – well, I look at my finances before I leave my house, and I set a budget for what I can comfortably spend on any of the big ticket packages I might be tempted by later on. So far, my budget has been $0 each and every time (5 seminars now), and I’ve held to that every time. Of course, during two of The Internet Marketing Main Events, I did give to charity (breast cancer one year, microfinancing the second) but that’s not quite the same.
So what does this rant have to do with you?
Well, first I’d like to know what you enjoy about seminars and workshops. Hit the comments below with your impressions of your favorite seminar, or a great story of meeting people who affected your business positively.
Second, I’d like to get your opinion on the workshop I am putting together later in the summer – the 2008 IM Success Workshop for up to 30 people. I’ve created a quick survey for you to tell me exactly what you’d like to see in a “perfect” workshop so I can customize it to make it a killer event.
Can you do that for me? Click here to tell me what your perfect workshop would look like.
I appreciate the ideas and suggestions, and look forward to reading what you have to say, even if you think you would not be able to spend time with me teaching you about growing your business this summer.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts, and for reading my latest rant!
Bob Jenkins
p.s. If you aren’t able to travel to a seminar or workshop, please look for an email from me on Monday about my next “virtual workshop” on creating your own profitable teleseminars.
p.p.s. Be sure to leave your seminar/workshop story below – but complete my workshop survey now so I get your answers to very specific questions to help make the 2008 IM Success Workshop a stellar event.
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| Bob Jenkins is an internet business marketing teacher, with ten years experience teaching teenagers and teachers. He is the creator of several online training courses that teach you how to get better customers and increase your profits. Specializing in social networking strategies for business and creating information products from teleseminars, Bob can help you use internet marketing tools and strategies to promote your business online. |
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Another job well done by the “Teacher Man in Action”…
Able to leap tall Buildings in a couple of “bound”.
Bob, I really appreciate your Candor.
I am enjoying my Internet experience, because of people like you, Scott and so many other sincere Marketer, willing to SHARE….
for reasonable compensation.
Chuck
I’ve never been to a seminar but I will be going to Bali this year! I am looking forward to hearing the pitch fests (even though they say there will be none) for the same reasons, I love to be sold to so I can see how they do it.
Later Bob,
Stuart Stirling
Bob,
I have been in love with the seminar and workshop atmosphere since my very first workshop in November of 2006 where I met Joe Clayton, Willie Crawford and Mark Hendricks in person for the very first time. All of them are now some of my closest marketing friends. I also met a guy who introduced me to Ross Goldberg, whose Masters Seminars are the best I have ever attended (second only to jvAlert).
I go with the expectation that I will be sold to, since you don’t get speakers for free unless they have a chance to sell something.
I have won a coaching program from Dr. Mike Woo Ming at one seminar and on the day after jvAlert Live in Orlando was over, I spent time talking with an ebay millionaire from Singapore who gave me some tips that have transformed my ebay marketing and also how I plan out my auctions. If it weren’t for being at seminars, I would not have found out about many amazing products that I was a launch partner for and that has made a huge difference in my life.
So I am all for the pitching, and I hope to be on stage some day soon, working on my close, too!
Have an amazing day!
Micheal
Hello from beautiful Montana:
The first pitch fest I went to was Mark Victor Hansen’s MegaBook in Atlanta. It was such an eyeopener for me.
I met some tremendous friends and networkers at lunch and in the hall. The biggest teaching moment was when I realized that all the people on the stage were no better looking, smarter or better than I was. My products were as good, if not better.
What set us apart-them on the stage and me in the audience was only one commodity. That was courage.
I learned a lot from them, but I also learned a lot about me that weekend. If you want it, you can have it. Just pay the price of courage and consistent effort.
Judy H. Wright aka Auntie Artichoke, the storytelling trainer
http://www.AskAuntieArtichoke.com
http://www.UseEncouragingWords.com for a free eBook
Bob,
Of course all seminars and trade shows are pitch-fests. I have always considered that part of the fun of going. I love to examine the pitch itself, the product and the promotional build-up to entice me to purchase.
Darrell Taylor
http://ultimatemarketingkit.com/ Free downline building tips.
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Well Bob, it seems to me that the pich is part for the course, and yet it is the most fun to listen to, espishally when you know where it is comming from. I mean, if it is someone you respect, then you will find yourself learning from what they are not teaching you as well as what they say. I personally can garentee you that I havn’t been able to atend one of these magnifasent peaces of work, but I still am chompping at the bit for when the moment arives. God bless, Teresa
People who complain about seminars being “pitchfests” are babies.
Now, when the attendance fee is really expensive (over $2k), and THEN it’s a pitchfest, well, that’s just plain criminal.
I LOVE the workshop idea. The first workshop I ever went to was a Matt Bacak event. It cost $4000 for me and my partner, but was worth EVERY penny. We were never asked to get our wallets out once, and were fed every day.
If your workshop has good content, and you can walk out of it with THINGS ACCOMPLISHED, then it’s a beautiful thing.
If you want to hear more about what I loved so much about the Matt Bacak workshop, please feel free to email.
PS- I am a loyal squidoo secrets subscriber!
Thanks!
As a new starter in internet marketing, I will be blunt with you.
It is most unlikely that I would attend ANY workshop or seminar until the gurus started behaving as though their customers were important to them and, even more so, when their Affiliates are important to them.
I have been looking to collect one or two training manuals and have identified three that I would like to buy BUT I CAN’T BUY THEM!
Why not?
Because I cannot pay by PayPal because the PayPal button does not work – especially6 if it is on a payment page shared with the Clickbank payment form.
Not only can’t I buy the product (and let the affiliate earn some money for bringing me the opportunity) I cannot contact the author AND NEITHER CAN THE AFFILIATE.
I would like to see a seminar created, though. I would like to see gurus taken back to basics and taught that salesmanship is not about “pitch and burn”, it is about customers.
I cannot imagine why anyone would actually PAY to have con-artists try to scam them.
You know you cannot believe a single word any of the speakers say anymore than you can believe a singlwe word in their sales pages.
Obviously these events are just a tax deducible “weekend on the booze”.
I have been “online” two years and have no ‘mentors’ and I don’t talk to anyone online so I have no desire to meet anyone.
I’m quite sure that these ‘gurus’ have no interest in anyone that isn’t scamming 50k a month, so they certainly wouldn’t want to talk to anyone that thinks $20 in sales in one month is good.
Seminars – good for posers to show off but no use whatsoever for anything else.
Go to seminars or don’t go to seminars – that is the question. The answer lies in whether the time and overall cost is likely to represent a bargain or not. Each offer must be carefully weighed on it’s perceived value and merits – as with all things in life.
I go to seminars to learn and to network and on average it seems to have worked out at about one per year.
As Stuart Stirling has pointed out above, even listening to a ’sales pitch’ is a learning process, allowing for the fact that BS filters must be switched on at full ‘hype removal’.
One also learns who the scamsters, con artists and self praise merchants are and to avoid them like the plague in future – they should be careful to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth with humility.
My preference is for small scale hands-on workshops where the participants are taken from nothing to an income in a specific on-line discipline. They go away with an income in place and instructions how to grow and develop from there.
Hi Bob-the-Teacher -
We made the decision to enter the internet marketing arena, primarily because we are salesmen. Otherwise it would be a waste of time, as we are only paid when a sale is made.
We love to sell. And we love to be sold. Selling is our passion.
That was our decision. We chose to do it that way.
I can only say that I am grateful that you also made that decision. I will always be enthusiastic about referring your services to anyone who wants to learn how to be an internet marketer.
A professionally trained teacher!
Honest! Ethical!
It doesn’t get any better than this.
I wish I could afford to attend more seminars. I really didn’t know what to expect the first time. But I love the energy around the whole thing. And now that I know who many of the folks in the business are, it makes me want to go that much more.
p.s. How’s that paydotcom widget working for you?
I love them, have been going to them for 20+ years (long before IM), and will continue to go to them when I’m in a position to. Now, I can only go to one a year.
Strictly speaking, I can go to none at all at present due to debt, but I allow myself one inexpensive one, providing it’s close enough to take out the hotel fee which I can’t afford, and I don’t buy anything.
I don’t mind being sold to as long as the seminar itself is inexpensive or even free. I figure if they’re doing a salesfest, they need to let anyone in and then make their money from what’s on the back table.
I personally feel $1,000 is too much for a salesfest. I can’t even dream of that at present, but when I do, I’ll want that seminar to be real value without the products in the back.
Yes, I too would dearly love to be someone who’s chosen to be “made over” — going in with nothing, going out with an income. I need that most of all! I can’t seem to get anywhere on my own starting with nothing. So far, I did have a course for which I’m profoundly grateful, but I have steps I need to take yet.
So yes, I love seminars. I love the excitement generated around them, I love meeting real live people doing the same thing, I even love seeing what’s being pitched.
Last year’s seminar led to my first freelance job! I mostly love the contacts made.
Hi Bob,
One dosen’t need to go to a seminar to get info and promos ,it seems to come in everyday by the bucket full,and in the end the mind is a scrabble heap of all sorts of info on how to,which leaves one not knowing which is the right way.
Living in hope of finding the way Eric
Hi Bob, I knew about you from Squidoo… but didn’t realize that you were at Strategic Profits seminar.
Guess what? I flew 18 hours nonstop + 2.5 hours (NY to Orlando) from Singapore to be there. Call me crazy? Haha… perhaps!
And yes… I met with Jay Douglas whom I heard about in Singapore for doing a fantastic video job. He’s really a COOL guy and share lots of good stuff with me.
Seminars are cool but I’m attending far too many… with too little time to do. I guess the thing is to balance out.
Hope to meet you in person one day!
Like anything else in life, an event is what you make of it — either positive or negative. If you go to a seminar, or any trade show, with a view to meeting new people who are or who may become key to your business, learning about interesting, new ideas, products, and services, you will likely enjoy it more. It is not a panacea, nor it is usually cheap. It’s an investment. I believe in selectively attending the best events, including jvAlertLive and Strategic Profits Live most recently. I’m not a seminar junkie, but I have had good success in meeting people F2F, including our famour Bob the Teacher most recently. His advice just saved me from plunking down a serious chunk of change for a short-term potential gain which wasn’t really right for my situation at the time. Thanks, Bob!
Cheri
DoxieDenDiva
p.s. Those dachshund vidoes are coming soon. ;-)